Comments on: Scam Warning- Viralee http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/ public speaker, adventurer, couch surfer, consultant Sat, 12 May 2012 11:52:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Denise Doe Chew http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-12261 Denise Doe Chew Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:36:38 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-12261 Happy Leap Day! Wow, Ori! You weren't joking at all in our newsletter about Viralee. I did a Google search and you're still in position one and two today (2/29/12). Way to stand up for yourself, Ori :) I'm proud of you. We're here and we hear you. Thanks for the heads up. Denise - http://www.hogglyfe.com Happy Leap Day! Wow, Ori! You weren’t joking at all in our newsletter about Viralee. I did a Google search and you’re still in position one and two today (2/29/12). Way to stand up for yourself, Ori :) I’m proud of you. We’re here and we hear you. Thanks for the heads up. Denise – http://www.hogglyfe.com

]]> By: Mike http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-5074 Mike Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:14:54 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-5074 Thanks for the article, I've also read, "not-so-good" things about this site. EX: <a href="http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/listings/77366">http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/listings/77366</a> I too was looking for a place to Buy Facebook Fans, and came across <a href="http://Fans4FB.com">http://Fans4FB.com</a>. I gave them a try, and they actually gave me MORE fans then what I ordered. And their also a little different, in the sense that they offer, not only INVITES, but also GUARANTEED Facebook Fans. Give them a try! <a href="http://Fans4FB.com">http://Fans4FB.com</a> Thanks for the article, I've also read, "not-so-good" things about this site.

EX: http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/listings/77366

I too was looking for a place to Buy Facebook Fans, and came across http://Fans4FB.com. I gave them a try, and they actually gave me MORE fans then what I ordered. And their also a little different, in the sense that they offer, not only INVITES, but also GUARANTEED Facebook Fans. Give them a try!

http://Fans4FB.com

]]> By: couchsurfingori http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3729 couchsurfingori Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:10:14 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3729 Hello John,In a short time we've had quite a few messages to each other. In one of those I mention that I try not to just go out and scream fire! Well, I used other words, but I mean that I try not to be ignorant in my actions. As I wrote you last night, I had 2 people besides myself that had not received the promised service by Viralee and Dominic Holland. To try and get more information, I asked the people who have made the Viralee account admin of their fan page if they've had results. You mentioned that you were not familiar with Viralee's method, and I admitted that I do not know it either. I do know however that they ask you to make their account admin of your fanpage, and when the number of fans ordered is reached, they'll remove themself.Both people that I asked last night both replied this morning that they got the same results, which is no results, no replies, and no money back. They've both looked up my blog, and have gone on to tweet about it.Again, 5 people may not be statistically significant, but it is more significant than 3. It reminds me of that parabole-- the man walking down the beach after the tide washed up thousands of starfish onto the sand. He sees this little girl picking up one starfish at a time, and throwing it back into the ocean. He tells her that it's futile, as she'll never save all these starfish, thus won't make a difference. She picks up another, throws him back in the water, and says "I just made a difference for this one. And this one... and this one..." -- you get the point. It feels like a scam to us individually one at a time. Hello John,In a short time we've had quite a few messages to each other. In one of those I mention that I try not to just go out and scream fire! Well, I used other words, but I mean that I try not to be ignorant in my actions. As I wrote you last night, I had 2 people besides myself that had not received the promised service by Viralee and Dominic Holland. To try and get more information, I asked the people who have made the Viralee account admin of their fan page if they've had results. You mentioned that you were not familiar with Viralee's method, and I admitted that I do not know it either. I do know however that they ask you to make their account admin of your fanpage, and when the number of fans ordered is reached, they'll remove themself.Both people that I asked last night both replied this morning that they got the same results, which is no results, no replies, and no money back. They've both looked up my blog, and have gone on to tweet about it.Again, 5 people may not be statistically significant, but it is more significant than 3. It reminds me of that parabole– the man walking down the beach after the tide washed up thousands of starfish onto the sand. He sees this little girl picking up one starfish at a time, and throwing it back into the ocean. He tells her that it's futile, as she'll never save all these starfish, thus won't make a difference. She picks up another, throws him back in the water, and says "I just made a difference for this one. And this one… and this one…" — you get the point. It feels like a scam to us individually one at a time.

]]> By: Brendan Wenzel http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3727 Brendan Wenzel Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:41 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3727 I would love to know what limited legal perspective you would be referring to here. Were you a law clerk or something? Or even a paralegal? I would love to know what limited legal perspective you would be referring to here. Were you a law clerk or something? Or even a paralegal?

]]> By: Brendan Wenzel http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3726 Brendan Wenzel Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:37:48 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3726 Let me know when you find those good reviews or testimonials please. Or you can continue to ignore my requests and make my case even stronger. Let me know when you find those good reviews or testimonials please. Or you can continue to ignore my requests and make my case even stronger.

]]> By: couchsurfingori http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3725 couchsurfingori Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:18:21 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3725 Sure thing. Anyone that takes the time to write an intelligent comment on here will get replied in kind (even if their comment bashes my photography, writing skills, business knowledge, and character). I am very pleased to have communicated well enough to have you state that I was wronged in this circumstance.Your legal knowledge is likely more voluminous than mine. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. I certainly like to think that I act intelligently before I act (unless of course, I"m doing something like playing Bull Poker... in which case, stupidity must clearly dominate at times), and I'd hate to think that I was acting on such an ignorant level as the folks in this article: <a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/755936--u-s-school-bans-the-dictionary">http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/75593.....</a>The other scam warning I have on my site is for a company called DVI Express. That company's site is no longer around. My spider-sense (tm) was correct about that one, and for a long time I was getting backlinks to my warning. This is the nature of the internet... people like to voice their opinion, and others follow suit. Sometimes intelligently, sometimes as sheep. You've agreed that I have been wronged here. I suspect the other individuals that have been wronged are also telling the truth. No one has been "nasty and calling names" (Scammer is debateable, based on circumstance). Everyone expressed their experience (some more vocally than others). If there is a pattern of more than 1 person not receiving service n or replies, and these persons have had their moneys taken intenationally, then that is truth. From my understanding of libel, it is the spreading of untruths that is a crime. I posted my experience which is truth, and my readers echoed my truth.How did you happen upon this blog (yes, it is a blog, not a collection of articles)?I take it that you are an attorney, or are involved in that profession?Regards, Ori. Sure thing. Anyone that takes the time to write an intelligent comment on here will get replied in kind (even if their comment bashes my photography, writing skills, business knowledge, and character). I am very pleased to have communicated well enough to have you state that I was wronged in this circumstance.Your legal knowledge is likely more voluminous than mine. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. I certainly like to think that I act intelligently before I act (unless of course, I"m doing something like playing Bull Poker… in which case, stupidity must clearly dominate at times), and I'd hate to think that I was acting on such an ignorant level as the folks in this article: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/75593…..The other scam warning I have on my site is for a company called DVI Express. That company's site is no longer around. My spider-sense ™ was correct about that one, and for a long time I was getting backlinks to my warning. This is the nature of the internet… people like to voice their opinion, and others follow suit. Sometimes intelligently, sometimes as sheep. You've agreed that I have been wronged here. I suspect the other individuals that have been wronged are also telling the truth. No one has been "nasty and calling names" (Scammer is debateable, based on circumstance). Everyone expressed their experience (some more vocally than others). If there is a pattern of more than 1 person not receiving service n or replies, and these persons have had their moneys taken intenationally, then that is truth. From my understanding of libel, it is the spreading of untruths that is a crime. I posted my experience which is truth, and my readers echoed my truth.How did you happen upon this blog (yes, it is a blog, not a collection of articles)?I take it that you are an attorney, or are involved in that profession?Regards, Ori.

]]> By: couchsurfingori http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3724 couchsurfingori Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:36:56 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3724 I've been searching for reviews too. It's been hard to find them... good or bad. So far, the bad outbumber the good. The Twitter accounts seem pretty spammy, many of the followers being accounts with only 1 tweet, 1 follower, etc... some are legit though. Even the article on <a href="http://readwriteweb.com">readwriteweb.com</a> states that @viralee seems like a spam bot. I've been searching for reviews too. It's been hard to find them… good or bad. So far, the bad outbumber the good. The Twitter accounts seem pretty spammy, many of the followers being accounts with only 1 tweet, 1 follower, etc… some are legit though. Even the article on readwriteweb.com states that @viralee seems like a spam bot.

]]> By: couchsurfingori http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3722 couchsurfingori Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:21 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3722 I like that analogy. You guys both have good points. Of course, I am biased, but if Viralee can produce case studies that are legit, then I will do a writeup that states that while I did not get service, there are many who have (I'm not counting "We miss Michael Jackson" "Pizza" "hugs" and "Kisses" as legit- those are items that go viral in the same way that Farmville does. People think it's cute, and will pass it on.) I'll even let them stay anonymous.I'd have to think about it, but I believe a case study that is acceptable is: When they signed up/ How many fans did they receive/ In how much time, and of course, that I can verify these transactions.The fish and chips store would be able to provide testimonials, or clients to talk to. Dominic states that they've been around since 2008, but the whois information says 10/09. As I said in a previous reply, I aplaud that you defend the seemingly attacked, but as in your analogy, you have not had the fish and chips yet. I have.Sincerely,Ori. I like that analogy. You guys both have good points. Of course, I am biased, but if Viralee can produce case studies that are legit, then I will do a writeup that states that while I did not get service, there are many who have (I'm not counting "We miss Michael Jackson" "Pizza" "hugs" and "Kisses" as legit- those are items that go viral in the same way that Farmville does. People think it's cute, and will pass it on.) I'll even let them stay anonymous.I'd have to think about it, but I believe a case study that is acceptable is: When they signed up/ How many fans did they receive/ In how much time, and of course, that I can verify these transactions.The fish and chips store would be able to provide testimonials, or clients to talk to. Dominic states that they've been around since 2008, but the whois information says 10/09. As I said in a previous reply, I aplaud that you defend the seemingly attacked, but as in your analogy, you have not had the fish and chips yet. I have.Sincerely,Ori.

]]> By: couchsurfingori http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3723 couchsurfingori Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:27:21 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3723 I like that analogy. You guys both have good points. Of course, I am biased, but if Viralee can produce case studies that are legit, then I will do a writeup that states that while I did not get service, there are many who have (I'm not counting "We miss Michael Jackson" "Pizza" "hugs" and "Kisses" as legit- those are items that go viral in the same way that Farmville does. People think it's cute, and will pass it on.) I'll even let them stay anonymous.I'd have to think about it, but I believe a case study that is acceptable is: When they signed up/ How many fans did they receive/ In how much time, and of course, that I can verify these transactions.The fish and chips store would be able to provide testimonials, or clients to talk to. Dominic states that they've been around since 2008, but the whois information says 10/09. As I said in a previous reply, I aplaud that you defend the seemingly attacked, but as in your analogy, you have not had the fish and chips yet. I have.Sincerely,Ori. I like that analogy. You guys both have good points. Of course, I am biased, but if Viralee can produce case studies that are legit, then I will do a writeup that states that while I did not get service, there are many who have (I'm not counting "We miss Michael Jackson" "Pizza" "hugs" and "Kisses" as legit- those are items that go viral in the same way that Farmville does. People think it's cute, and will pass it on.) I'll even let them stay anonymous.I'd have to think about it, but I believe a case study that is acceptable is: When they signed up/ How many fans did they receive/ In how much time, and of course, that I can verify these transactions.The fish and chips store would be able to provide testimonials, or clients to talk to. Dominic states that they've been around since 2008, but the whois information says 10/09. As I said in a previous reply, I aplaud that you defend the seemingly attacked, but as in your analogy, you have not had the fish and chips yet. I have.Sincerely,Ori.

]]> By: John Falkes http://www.couchsurfingori.com/blog/scam-warning-viralee/comment-page-1/#comment-3721 John Falkes Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:24:49 +0000 http://www.couchsurfingori.com/?p=1682#comment-3721 Thanks for the reply Ori. I see your point of view, and I agree that in this circumstance you have been wronged. There is still one problem however. While you perhaps have the right to feel scammed (although you did get fully refunded), the little fan base that suckles from your teat spamming it everywhere that Viralee is a scam is really nothing under than libel, from my limited legal perspective, and for this to be labelled an actual scam, or criminal act, would require evidence of intent to defraud, and of systemic evidence of such fraud occurring.Regards,John. Thanks for the reply Ori. I see your point of view, and I agree that in this circumstance you have been wronged. There is still one problem however. While you perhaps have the right to feel scammed (although you did get fully refunded), the little fan base that suckles from your teat spamming it everywhere that Viralee is a scam is really nothing under than libel, from my limited legal perspective, and for this to be labelled an actual scam, or criminal act, would require evidence of intent to defraud, and of systemic evidence of such fraud occurring.Regards,John.

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